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	<title>Comments on: Links: Geek Activism, Virtual Worlds, and the Nerd Code for Love</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Tocci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Tocci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wouldn’t that *be* your data? Most popular server wins.&lt;/i&gt;

If that&#039;s how you set up the study on purpose, that&#039;d be one thing (and then you&#039;d have to be able to justify that that&#039;s an appropriate measure of where subjects wanted to be). But the proposed idea, as I understood it, was that each different server or segment of the world was to be a different treatment or control group, each getting the local economy slightly tweaked to see how it would change players&#039; behavior. When you have people switching between groups in a controlled experiment—or even just talking to people in the other groups—you run into &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_validity#Threats_to_Internal_Validity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;problems with validity&lt;/a&gt; like treatment diffusion and resentful demoralization. Plus, you need to be able to say in such an experiment that subjects are put into experimental groups randomly; if the players select their own group knowing what the economic differences are, you could see differences in behavior between groups that are caused by a high congregation of a certain player personality type, for example, rather than by your manipulation of the economy.

&lt;i&gt;If I’m alone, I just feel the embarassment that the participants should be feeling.&lt;/i&gt;

Personally, if the thing I&#039;m watching hits too close to home, I can be embarrassed no matter what the company. I suspect I have a different experience watching &lt;i&gt;Beauty and the Geek&lt;/i&gt; from most (non-geeky) people: To them, it&#039;s like Jerry Springer, an opportunity to laugh at people who are a couple standard deviations from the mean in either direction of ditzy/brainy. To me, it&#039;s like seeing every embarrassing social situation of my life replayed and magnified for a national television audience. 

&lt;i&gt;A moose bit my sister once…&lt;/i&gt;

No realli!  She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wouldn’t that *be* your data? Most popular server wins.</i></p>
<p>If that&#8217;s how you set up the study on purpose, that&#8217;d be one thing (and then you&#8217;d have to be able to justify that that&#8217;s an appropriate measure of where subjects wanted to be). But the proposed idea, as I understood it, was that each different server or segment of the world was to be a different treatment or control group, each getting the local economy slightly tweaked to see how it would change players&#8217; behavior. When you have people switching between groups in a controlled experiment—or even just talking to people in the other groups—you run into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_validity#Threats_to_Internal_Validity" rel="nofollow">problems with validity</a> like treatment diffusion and resentful demoralization. Plus, you need to be able to say in such an experiment that subjects are put into experimental groups randomly; if the players select their own group knowing what the economic differences are, you could see differences in behavior between groups that are caused by a high congregation of a certain player personality type, for example, rather than by your manipulation of the economy.</p>
<p><i>If I’m alone, I just feel the embarassment that the participants should be feeling.</i></p>
<p>Personally, if the thing I&#8217;m watching hits too close to home, I can be embarrassed no matter what the company. I suspect I have a different experience watching <i>Beauty and the Geek</i> from most (non-geeky) people: To them, it&#8217;s like Jerry Springer, an opportunity to laugh at people who are a couple standard deviations from the mean in either direction of ditzy/brainy. To me, it&#8217;s like seeing every embarrassing social situation of my life replayed and magnified for a national television audience. </p>
<p><i>A moose bit my sister once…</i></p>
<p>No realli!  She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... my biggest concern is that experimentally manipulating the conditions between different servers of the same game would simply encourage people to jump ship to a new server, which would wreak havoc on your data. &quot;

Wouldn&#039;t that *be* your data? Most popular server wins.

I was non-plussed by the MW &quot;w00t&quot; story, but now that I think about it that&#039;s probably b/c the GF and I have been using that in speech for about a year now. 

The Sciencedaily story is interesting. The only time I feel that company makes a difference is when watching something like Jerry Springer. I&#039;m not sure why, but I can laugh *at* someone much easier if someone else is present. If I&#039;m alone, I just feel the embarassment that the participants should be feeling. (And yeah, I know JS is mostly theater.) I&#039;m sure that says something really ugly about either people in general or me in particular.

A moose bit my sister once...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; my biggest concern is that experimentally manipulating the conditions between different servers of the same game would simply encourage people to jump ship to a new server, which would wreak havoc on your data. &#8221;</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that *be* your data? Most popular server wins.</p>
<p>I was non-plussed by the MW &#8220;w00t&#8221; story, but now that I think about it that&#8217;s probably b/c the GF and I have been using that in speech for about a year now. </p>
<p>The Sciencedaily story is interesting. The only time I feel that company makes a difference is when watching something like Jerry Springer. I&#8217;m not sure why, but I can laugh *at* someone much easier if someone else is present. If I&#8217;m alone, I just feel the embarassment that the participants should be feeling. (And yeah, I know JS is mostly theater.) I&#8217;m sure that says something really ugly about either people in general or me in particular.</p>
<p>A moose bit my sister once&#8230;</p>
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